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  • Bradley West
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    The Birth of Siddhartha.

    Hi everyone, May I have your opinion on the following. Thanks. Bradley

    Is Buddhism the ‘Word of Siddhartha’?


    The birth of ‘Siddhartha’.

    The birth of Siddhartha
    Ended the reign of religions, gods, monks and holy men
    Man, until now a mere pawn of these powers
    Was to know, he is the master of his own destiny
    He alone is the creator of his own world
    Therefore, he alone must seek his salvation
    Suddenly for us, there is no present, no past, no future
    For space and time is nonexistent in ‘Dhamma’
    No birth and therefore no death
    Life is but a process, no beginning, no end
    Until of course, we see emptiness in the Emptiness
    The ‘Dependent Origination’ where there is nothing to be defined
    The end of all formations, no more birth.
    Seen, is the creator of the elusive ‘I’.

    “The ‘Dhamma’ is way beyond those who are stuck in religious mentality”

  • Jerrod Lopes
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    Please know that I have prohibited articles that are antithetical to the aims of this site. I made this clear on another thread recently. They are not to be introduced or linked to in the body of a post, or posted on their own. Violators may be banned or completely removed from the site.
    Thanks for not forcing me to ban otherwise wonderful people.

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  • Mahisha Warusavitharana
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    Thank you Bradly, that was a clear answer (the one written to me), but still does not answer the question about where you found the two quotes that I asked about in #6.
    But I do disagree with the content of your answer.
    Also, you are invariably listening to someone - at the moment, Paul Hess's writing, and not say Sutta, or, any other teacher of the Thai Tradition - including Ajhan Braham.
    Sutta nor Ajhan Braham contain the truth - they "just" point out to the way - per the Buddha Dhamma. That's why most of us are here.

    Your motive appears to be to "correct" Buddhists - at least, that's how I see it.
    And given that you were not open about it, I would classify that as ulterior - though you perhaps mean it in good faith.
    The thing is, I would have been open if you were straight from the beginning.

    I was also thinking about more about mis-representing the Buddha Gotama - and I also see some monks doing the same..... Sadly, this is what it is.
    While YouTube etc makes it easier to disseminate the Dhamma (as set forth by the Buddha), I suppose it also makes it easier for people to misrepresent the Buddha....
    But there are good monks and nuns in various corners of the world, and if we are lucky enough, we'd find them.

    Peace be with you, and, may all of us succeed.

    In the Buddha Dhamma - the way out, is the noble eight fold path.

    And what, bhikkhus, is that middle way awakened to by the Tathagata, which gives rise to vision … which leads to Nibbāna?
    It is this Noble Eightfold Path; that is, right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration.
    This, bhikkhus, is that middle way awakened to by the Tathagata, which gives rise to vision, which gives rise to knowledge, which leads to peace, to direct knowledge, to enlightenment, to Nibbāna.
    https://suttacentral.net/en/sn56.11


    “One who sees dependent origination sees the Dhamma; one who sees the Dhamma sees dependent origination.”
    https://suttacentral.net/en/mn28

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  • Bradley West
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    Hi Mahisha, Sorry for the delay in replying your thread. The 'Dhamma' the world of duality or the Dependent Origination is the source of your thought process and naturally to neutralize it you alone can and must observe your 'Chitta' arising and passing away dependent on conditions. As to your 2nd question, the thought process is unique to each and every one of us never the same for two moments. Hence your thought proces that reflects your Dhamma cannot be found in so called sacred books and suttas. They contain second-hand knowledge worthless to a seeker. The danger is, you will for ever be trapped in a world of others who themselves are groping in the dark, lost and confused. You have a choice, either you can join them or seek your own way within to go beyond mind and matter. I hope you will chose the latter. Best regards. Bradley.

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  • Bradley West
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    Hi Jerrod, I am not a teacher or a preacher hence, I can honestly express my opinion without fear or favor. As a seeker, I may be wrong or right but that does not bother me for I have nothing to lose but to gain from experiencing the world for what it is. So, don’t worry I won’t misunderstand you. But I know the Forum thinks I have ulterior motives. Well, if that is their belief, what can I do?
    No one can explain Dependent Origination the Dhamma. Siddhartha simply referred to it as an empty process where there is no beginning and no end. A one who tries to explain or write books on this process is embarking on a witch hunt. He is fooling himself and fooling others. The so-called Dependent Origination in Buddhism the ‘Paticca Samupada’ is nothing more than a vicious cycle to keep their ignorant followers going around in circles as you will see from the following article. Regards. Bradley.
    Last edited by Jerrod Lopes; 13th-December-2017, 03:30 PM. Reason: Removed prohibited material

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  • Mahisha Warusavitharana
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    Hello Mara, you are welcome!

    I haven't read that one yet - will probably do so soon.... in between the other series that I am on.....
    Did read the Magic of the Mind... and that was useful too.....

    It's impossible to get these books at a bookshop here in paper format - as the Ven has an explicit wish that it not be sold.....
    But, there are places where we can get the printed copy (free) - and, online, thankfully....

    Enjoy, Mahisha

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  • Mara Pacers
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    Mahisha,
    What an amazing and wonderful set of free Dhamma resources that is - Thank-you for the link. I just started looking at the one 'the miracle of contact'

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  • Mahisha Warusavitharana
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    Hello Jerrod, thank you - I guess I sort of do... and it's been only seven years, so, relatively young.

    I was just thinking about "texts" in general - and I do come to Phoenix once a year and do go through the Bible kept in the drawer.... I suppose I do have a fondness for "old" texts?
    And, Phoenix has a living, breathing, inspiring Christian tradition - which I am very fond of, and, like....

    You may like the "Nibbana mind stilled" series, I did....
    I was also asked to read the Law of Dependent arising - and just went through the first two.... it will take a while for me to go through the entire series - but I will....
    This is a Thervada monk - living in Sri Lanka..... and all of this, is Pali Sutta based....

    http://seeingthroughthenet.net/books/

    Thank you, for a lot of "things"......
    Peaceeeee, Mahisha

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  • Jerrod Lopes
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    Mahisha,

    Sounds like you have a clear path. I envy you for that. I hope it brings you peace. Be well.

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  • Jerrod Lopes
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    Hi Bradley,

    Thanks for your time in replying. I agree about the ignorance in duality, good vs. bad... I 'm going to take some time to consider the rest. My immediate response wants me to dismiss and disagree, but maybe I'm missing something. When speaking of cause and effect are you referring only to volitional kamma, or just all of existence in general (i.e. chemical reactions, weather patterns)? I am sincerely asking. Please know that I am not mocking you or trying to trip you up. I genuinely want to know your view. I have a theory that our views may be more similar than I thought, but use conventional terminology in different and sometimes opposing ways. I will elaborate more later and can perhaps get us on the same page as it were. Be well good sir.

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  • Mahisha Warusavitharana
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    Bradly, you still failed to answer one question - where did you get the two quotes from?
    Either you made it up, or, got it from somewhere - but for some reasons, unable to say where....Should be a relatively simple enough question to answer. But you post something else, and not answer the question.

    Clearly, what you post has nothing to do with the Dhamma as in the Dhamma of the Buddha, Gotama.
    BUT, you seem to shroud, cover, misrepresent what you say by using the word "Sidharatha" - where people (including I) may think it's referring to Gotama Buddha.
    What I find disturbing is the misrepresentation. At least slowly, more light is being shed. You could just of course say it's Bradly'd Dhamma, or XX's Dhamma, but you chose to do otherwise!

    https://suttacentral.net/en/an2.23
    “Monks, these two slander the Tathagata. Which two? He who explains what was not said or spoken by the Tathagata as said or spoken by the Tathagata. And he who explains what was said or spoken by the Tathagata as not said or spoken by the Tathagata. These are two who slander the Tathagata.”


    Hello Jerrod, good to hear from you!
    As for me, it's YouTube / Audio, the Sutta's (not the Abhidamma), and generally hanging out with good monks. Even briefly hanging around them, has been helpful...
    If one really could hang around monks, may not really need the Sutta as such - because the Sangha (Bhikku and Bhikuni's) are the living embodiment of the practice - going all the way back to the Buddha....
    But for me, Sutta - reading on my own, and , and not surprise here - listening to the sutta class by monks and nuns from, Perth.... that's actually how I got interested in the Sutta in the first place.... I had thought them to be complicated etc so never attempted - but I find them very clear and direct, and useful...

    Thank you, and hope someone steps up to the admin role....

    Kindest wishes, Mahisha

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  • Bradley West
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    Hi Jerrod, Good to hear from you. I don’t have much writing skills but I will do my best to answer your complex question.
    Dependent Origination is the way of the world the Dhamma or nature. It is a highly complex process beyond space and time the creator of the human mind the world of duality. Whatever beyond space and time is beyond our comprehension and therefore beyond words. Hence, Siddhartha revealed the ‘Sathipatthana’ viz. the body, feeling and ‘Chitta’ are just Dhamma the Dependent Origination, an empty process dependent on condition, for us to experience its nature first hand. However, due to our ignorance, we cling to this process as ‘I’, creating our own world of duality.
    However, Cause & Effect is the way the ignorant mind perceives the world whereas in reality there is neither a cause nor an effect can be found for all so-called things in the Universe have no existence on their own and are interconnected dependent on each other. So, in our ignorance, we do good to counter bad, make merits to counter sins unaware we cannot have one without the other. Unlike Dependent Origination a process which can be neutralized to go beyond, Cause and Effect which operates within space and time is the way of the dualistic world of religions including Buddhism, where there is no way out. Regards. Bradley

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  • Jerrod Lopes
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    Bradley,
    This is where I've had issue with you from the beginning. Dependant origination and cause and effect are the same. Kamma is both. There's no difference mate! Please explain to me the difference. I will agree with you, however, that Dhamma and Buddhism are not the same. Buddhism is one vehicle by which we hope to point out dhamma. I also agree that holy books aren't necessary for all people, though it is abundantly clear to me that they are necessary to some people. Please shed some light on your view of the difference between d.o. and cause and effect. Perhaps I've missed something and am wrong.
    Thank you sir!

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  • Bradley West
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    Hi Mahisha, Dhamma & Buddhism are worlds apart and have nothing in common. The former is Dependent Origination & the latter Cause & effect. I quote the Zen saying "By walking the way of others how can you seek your own' for your info. I don't think one needs to refer to so-called sacred books to understand this simple logic. I believe the following verse would shed some light.

    IS BUDDHISM THE ‘WORD OF SIDDHARTHA’?
    Looking for the ‘Way’

    Looking for the ‘Way’ to deliverance?
    Siddhartha discovered his
    It is time for you to discover yours
    You cannot walk the ‘Way’ of others
    Not even that of Siddhartha
    Your ‘Way’ is within you and it is your very own.
    No one can seek this ‘Way’
    It is all yours to seek and to seek only you can
    But all this while you never sought it
    “It is somewhere else” you were told
    You were blind to believe them
    And here you are, still looking for your ‘Way’
    Running after so-called ‘holy men’ and their ‘sacred’ books
    Unaware, they don’t even know their own Way, leave alone yours
    As long as you have no faith in yourself
    Sadly, this ‘Way to deliverance’ is way beyond you.

    “Seek your Dhamma within not without”

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  • Mahisha Warusavitharana
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    Bradly, I find it disturbing that you can say that the Buddha said something, but, can't find a source online when asked - such as suttacentral or accesstoinsight just to name two sources.
    IF I were to attribute something to the Buddha, I always quote: we CAN *then* discuss if the sutta (that is quoted) is authentic or not - but over here, you write something specifically attributed to him, and when asked, you are unable to find where it is from!

    Counter question - to indulge in a bit of sophistry - if the Buddha didn't say it, how can I find it? )

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