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Hello Bhante,
I would like to ask this question as an addition to the "Five Precepts" thread I created.
There are two different versions of what is considered lying.
The first one:
On Pg. 245
...states that a violation of this rule requires two factors:
1) Intention: the aim to misrepresent the truth; and
2) Effort: the effort to make another individual know whatever one wants to communicate based on that aim.
On Pg. 246, paragraph 3:
Result is not a factor under this rule. Thus whether anyone understands the lie or is deceived by it is irrelevant to the offense.
Link: http://pratyeka.org/a2i/lib/authors/...c1.ch08-1.html
On the contrary, the second version is:
The fourth precept has four factors:
1. a falsehood
2. the intention to speak a falsehood
3. the effort is made
4. others understand what was said
Link: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/a.../uposatha.html
The first version doesn't require result whether anyone understand what was said or not but the second version does. According to the former one, mere attempt is considered a breach of musavada. This means when one, for example, say something false to a pet who doesn't understand what was said is considered lying. But that is not a breach according to the latter one.
Is telling a funny fiction story whose character is implicitly understood by audience is lying or not?
We meet many people in society, there are strangers, friends, colleagues, employer, etc., is hiding our feeling considered lying or not? For example, hide our gloomy feeling, feel aversion toward one colleague but hide it, etc.
Pretend to have confidence when one is attending job interview, is this lying or not?
Since there are different versions, how do we know whether we are lying/deceptive or not?
Do you think it's impossible to not break the fourth precept?
Thanks Bhante.
I would like to ask this question as an addition to the "Five Precepts" thread I created.
There are two different versions of what is considered lying.
The first one:
On Pg. 245
...states that a violation of this rule requires two factors:
1) Intention: the aim to misrepresent the truth; and
2) Effort: the effort to make another individual know whatever one wants to communicate based on that aim.
On Pg. 246, paragraph 3:
Result is not a factor under this rule. Thus whether anyone understands the lie or is deceived by it is irrelevant to the offense.
Link: http://pratyeka.org/a2i/lib/authors/...c1.ch08-1.html
On the contrary, the second version is:
The fourth precept has four factors:
1. a falsehood
2. the intention to speak a falsehood
3. the effort is made
4. others understand what was said
Link: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/a.../uposatha.html
The first version doesn't require result whether anyone understand what was said or not but the second version does. According to the former one, mere attempt is considered a breach of musavada. This means when one, for example, say something false to a pet who doesn't understand what was said is considered lying. But that is not a breach according to the latter one.
Is telling a funny fiction story whose character is implicitly understood by audience is lying or not?
We meet many people in society, there are strangers, friends, colleagues, employer, etc., is hiding our feeling considered lying or not? For example, hide our gloomy feeling, feel aversion toward one colleague but hide it, etc.
Pretend to have confidence when one is attending job interview, is this lying or not?
Since there are different versions, how do we know whether we are lying/deceptive or not?
Do you think it's impossible to not break the fourth precept?
Thanks Bhante.
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